The Four Wards Podcast - Episode 432: A Farewell to Otts

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome to the Four Wards podcast. Hey, what's up? It's Eric Brah, voice of Draven, jerks, and Velkoz. And you're listening to the Forwards podcast, here to help you move forward and lead. Hello, and welcome to the Four Wards podcast, episode 432. I am your host tonight because our normal host is mildly under the weather. I am slushy otter, and with me, I have two hosts, one of whom is the aforementioned sicky head. [00:00:56] Speaker B: That's you. Jack's. [00:00:57] Speaker C: You're not gonna say my name? I see how it is. [00:01:00] Speaker A: No, I was just gonna see what you did. That's Jack's omen. Would you like a moment to do a proper introduction? [00:01:07] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm here. I'm the usual host. I'm just recovering from a cold, and slushy insisted on hosting because of that, and I decided I'm not gonna fight that. [00:01:19] Speaker A: Our other host, the never present crush, you. [00:01:22] Speaker B: There's an extra n in that. I'm here. I'm fine. Like, I can talk and think and stuff. I'm good. I was just running around the woods last weekend, so I'm just a little sore is all. [00:01:34] Speaker C: But I'm good. [00:01:34] Speaker B: I'm here. Let's go. [00:01:36] Speaker C: I mean, I got that going on, too. I spent yesterday at a state park. [00:01:40] Speaker B: Nice. I was also at a state park. [00:01:43] Speaker C: For us, I do not have a ballad from the woods. [00:01:48] Speaker A: And while we are award short tonight, we are here to help you move forward in league. What? You gave me a look. Jax is giving you a funny look. You can find us on stream at Twitch TV, Jackson, twitch tv, crushyou and myself at twitch tv, slushy otter. The Trinity Force network is, of course, gone for good. We are still affiliated with the rundown, but if you want to send us questions, there is a new email, the forwardspodcastmail.com. we are also looking for Patreon ideas, so please, please, please send them there. [00:02:35] Speaker C: Seriously, guys, we want to get the Patreon going. Please tell us what you want the Patreon to be, because if our dumbasses are in charge of what the tears are, they may not be what you want. [00:02:46] Speaker A: Yeah, Jack's kind of asked us, hey, does anybody have any Patreon ideas? And we all just kind of went, uh. [00:02:53] Speaker C: Yeah, we're. We're dumb, so please, so help us. [00:02:57] Speaker A: If you have questions, you have Patreon ideas, please, please, please send them our way. We need the help both financially and intellectually, because we're kind of dumb. [00:03:09] Speaker B: Yeah, it's basically just like, I don't know what I would pay for. What would. What would you pay for? So we're trying to figure out what you guys would like to pay for, so. [00:03:20] Speaker A: All right. Did I miss anything? [00:03:24] Speaker C: Don't think so. [00:03:25] Speaker A: They are shaking their heads for an audio medium. [00:03:29] Speaker C: Hey, that's rundowns, guys. [00:03:30] Speaker A: Starting off the. [00:03:32] Speaker B: We could have it too. [00:03:33] Speaker A: No, I thought rundown's gag was. Yes, daddy. [00:03:38] Speaker C: It is now. Thank you. [00:03:40] Speaker B: Candace Duffy has birthdays. It's fine. [00:03:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So does that make this easy's birthday? [00:03:47] Speaker C: Yes. Everyone wish free shooter a happy birthday. [00:03:51] Speaker B: That's why he can't be here tonight. That's what it is. [00:03:54] Speaker A: Yep. Yep. Exactly. All right, so we had a patch week last week and it was monstrous, which means that we did not get to do everybody's favorite segment, which is where I just bitch about the skins for ten minutes. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:04:13] Speaker A: So we're gonna go do that. [00:04:15] Speaker B: Hooray. [00:04:16] Speaker A: So we got four fairy court skins in this patch. Before we get started, does anybody have any initial thoughts? [00:04:25] Speaker C: The Soraka skin splash looks like the fairy from Odin sphere. [00:04:32] Speaker A: Fair. [00:04:34] Speaker B: I like that Lilia got a skin. I don't like that Lux got a skin. That's my contribution to this fair. [00:04:44] Speaker A: On the whole of it. I'm not big on the fairy court skins just because they feel soulless and like a cash grab and I don't really know where they're trying to go with it. If you just put pretty wings on a thing and maybe give it some planty aesthetics. Yay. Riot. Do something more creative, please. Um, that said, I do really, really like the Lilia skin. [00:05:14] Speaker B: It is gorgeous. [00:05:17] Speaker A: I do really, really like it. [00:05:20] Speaker C: Alright, let me look at the in game. Yeah, it reads as Lilia and doesn't look like her existing skins or base model. [00:05:31] Speaker A: And it's like super high contrast and looks aesthetically pleasing. Right. You did good. Fairy court Lux just looks like Barbie from. There was like a fairy Barbie movie in the early two thousands that my sister made me watch that Barbie. It's literally just that Barbie. And then Soraka, I guess this fits her theme on her, it just, again, feels uninspired. And that just kind of seems to be the theme with any Soraka skin lately. [00:06:10] Speaker C: So here's my issue with all three of the non Lilia skins because Lilia doesn't really have this going on in her splash. The other three all have wings, but they don't have any wings on the in game model at all. [00:06:25] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. [00:06:27] Speaker C: Why? [00:06:27] Speaker A: Lilia has that in the splash, too. [00:06:30] Speaker C: So Lilia has, like, wing feather things coming off her head. [00:06:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I see them. [00:06:37] Speaker C: Which look like they're present in the model. [00:06:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:40] Speaker A: Okay. [00:06:41] Speaker C: So it's fine. I. My issue is things that are in. [00:06:44] Speaker A: The splash, that's when they alter something. Maybe. [00:06:47] Speaker C: Maybe. [00:06:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Luxus really needs the wings by comparison. [00:06:51] Speaker C: Why did we not get Fairycore kale, a winged champion, or fairy court organa, a winged champion, and give them fucking fairy wings? Fairy court aatrox. [00:07:02] Speaker A: How about fairy court Anivia? [00:07:07] Speaker C: That just would look like a butterfly is my main problem with that idea. [00:07:10] Speaker A: I'm okay with that. [00:07:12] Speaker C: I know, but, like, how we bridge. [00:07:13] Speaker A: The gap between Monarch kog'maw and fairy. [00:07:15] Speaker C: Court, but, like, fairy court Aatrox? Yeah, that would be fucking cool. [00:07:21] Speaker A: All day trucks. I mean, give us the old Aatrox. [00:07:26] Speaker B: Is there. [00:07:26] Speaker A: Put fairy court on him. [00:07:27] Speaker B: Is there a fairy court Ezreal? [00:07:30] Speaker A: Yes. [00:07:30] Speaker B: Okay. I was like, I think there is. [00:07:32] Speaker A: It's garbage. [00:07:34] Speaker C: I mean, Ezreal's one of those champions who. Most of his skins are garbage, and he still somehow has, like, five. Five genuinely good skins. [00:07:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:43] Speaker B: Look, I like debonair as real. It's hilarious. [00:07:48] Speaker A: I don't feel like there's a whole ton to talk about. The inclusion of Tristana is interesting, and turning her cannon into a tree trunk is kind of fun. Everyone else is just. What is the most boring fairy? Well, I shouldn't say everyone else. Lux and Soraka is. What is the most boring way we can take their model and make it seem fairy inspired. And they did it, which is obviously how they came to the same conclusion as the mattel toy company and made Barbie look exactly the same as she did in the movie. Good job. [00:08:22] Speaker B: Hold on. Tristana's canon. Fairy court. Tristana's canon looks like it's a glass lantern with a fairy in it. [00:08:29] Speaker A: Never mind. I was looking at the wrong thing. Yeah, that. That's even better. I like that better. It looks. It looks like fireflies. [00:08:35] Speaker B: Yeah, that's actually. That's actually. I think that's kind of clever. I don't like the skin otherwise. I don't like the skin otherwise, to be clear. But. [00:08:42] Speaker A: And, like, the jar is clever, but it's aesthetically jarring. [00:08:46] Speaker B: No. [00:08:49] Speaker A: Come on. [00:08:50] Speaker C: That was funny. [00:08:53] Speaker A: All right, moving again. Victoria's cognitive feels very her, although I feel like it also is treading in territory that we've already kind of gone with spirit blossom. Doesn't feel like anything super novel is being done with her here. I don't know. This feels like a swing in the mist from riot, which, unfortunately, has kind of become the norm. [00:09:19] Speaker C: I think just the similarity to spirit blossom and overall feel is the biggest miss of the whole thing. [00:09:25] Speaker A: Yeah. On Lilia, at least on the rest, it's like, why? Why do these exist? This. This just feels uninspired and uninteresting and whatever. But those are not the only skins that have come out this patch. We do have one more. Is this skin any better? [00:09:51] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:09:52] Speaker C: Yes. Good. [00:09:56] Speaker A: Without giving away what the skin is, give your honest reviews of the skin. Jax, let's have you go first. [00:10:04] Speaker C: What the fuck? Eyes. Why does it have googly eyes? [00:10:12] Speaker B: Why does it have a gem tongue? [00:10:15] Speaker A: The gem tongue? I think it's actually, like, a cool inclusion. [00:10:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm fine with that. [00:10:19] Speaker A: Like, they pierced his tongue. I'm fine with this. Um, my review of this is that it has the same issues as any poorly done porcelain skin. It's random, bendy metal with maybe some shiny bits that are meant to look good and be, like, armored. But they turn this character's skin effectively into armor, which it's just not. And it looks wonky and weird, which is saying something, because this champion already looks wonky and weird. If you couldn't figure it out already. We are, of course, talking about the victorious kog'maw skins. Now, admittedly, the particles do look pretty. [00:11:03] Speaker C: Damn good, but which is out of the ordinary for a Victoria's skin and. [00:11:09] Speaker A: Out of the ordinary for a kogmaw skin. [00:11:11] Speaker B: Oh, wow. I'm looking at the skin spotlight now, and, like, yeah, I love what they did to his wife. Like, you can actually frickin tell it's active. [00:11:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, the particles look good. He just looks like he's being squeezed. Like, you know how in cartoons there's, like, a little character that gets squeezed in the hand of a big character and their eyes pop out, their teeth pops out. All the blood's being squished up to their head, which is just bigger. Yeah, he looks like that. [00:11:42] Speaker B: I feel like that's my only issue with this, with the skin. When I'm seeing it wandering around, it's like the eyes look off. [00:11:49] Speaker A: I shouldn't be able to see Kog'maw's eyes that clearly unless I'm playing pug maw. [00:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:11:55] Speaker C: But that's the thing, is these eyes pop out more than pugmaws. [00:11:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Yep. [00:12:02] Speaker A: I'm not. I'm not saying that that makes it better or worse. I'm just saying that that's the only skin on which it's forgivable. So what do we rate these skins? You're giving him a letter grade fairy court overall. [00:12:19] Speaker B: Fairy court overall. [00:12:19] Speaker C: B, I'd say c. They're not actively bad, but they're not good. [00:12:26] Speaker A: They're uninspired and boring, and I just. Please, riot. Do better. [00:12:30] Speaker B: The particle effects are good to me. And lilies is legitimately probably one of her best skins, if not the best one that she has, which, unfortunately, that's not a huge high bar because there's not that many. Not lilieskins. [00:12:42] Speaker C: That's not high praise at all. [00:12:46] Speaker A: And then what do we rate the. [00:12:47] Speaker C: Kogmaw skin victorious out of ten? [00:12:54] Speaker A: How does it rate compared to other Victoria's skins? [00:12:57] Speaker C: I mean, compared to other Victoria's skins? I'd actually give it an a, despite the fucking googly eyes. [00:13:02] Speaker A: I think I give it a b. [00:13:04] Speaker B: I'd go for a in general, because, like, out of Victoria skins, this is a pretty good one. And the problem with kog'maw is that he already has so many good skins that are already. You can't be up these, like. [00:13:19] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. That's the. The real problem here is, like, compared to other Victoria skins, I think it's actually pretty good. But, like, arcanist kog'maw exists. Monarch kog'maw exists. Battlecast kogmaw exists. Pugma exists. The. The dragon dance kogma, I think, is what it's called. [00:13:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:40] Speaker C: Like, he just has so many skin. [00:13:43] Speaker B: That I suspect they're gonna run into that problem a lot more as they continue that. [00:13:47] Speaker C: Like, it's part of why it's not dragon dance. [00:13:51] Speaker B: Right? It's part of why I was like, why does Lux get a skin. She already has several. Um, meanwhile, Kane and. [00:14:01] Speaker A: Okay, okay, okay, hear me out, hear me out. Fairy court smolder. [00:14:06] Speaker C: Sure. [00:14:08] Speaker A: That would have been better, right? [00:14:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:14:13] Speaker A: Like, it was a good opportunity to give smolder another skin. A skin that's actually interesting. And they missed. [00:14:21] Speaker C: Typical riot. [00:14:23] Speaker A: Though, to be fair, there's a solid chance that these skins were in development before smulder was released. [00:14:29] Speaker C: True. [00:14:31] Speaker A: I don't know what the development cycle over at riot looks like. I don't know how long it takes them to release a set of skins. [00:14:38] Speaker C: And I generally believe they don't design skins other than the launch skins for a champion until it's actually out. Cause they don't want to have to duplicate work. [00:14:46] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:14:48] Speaker B: Okay. [00:14:50] Speaker C: That's why launch skins tend to be. That's why launch skins tend to be underwhelming in terms of, like, particles and stuff because they're all just using the default particles. Maybe with a color swap, like, whaaaay. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Where it causes visual clarity issues that I definitely don't abuse. I can't tell if that's EQ or QQ flying at me, but it's gonna hurt either way. [00:15:19] Speaker C: Yep. [00:15:22] Speaker A: All right. With that, do we want to move on to the questions that we have? Because we've been putting off the questions for last pat or for last episode because of the patch notes, so we're going to try to get a bunch done today. [00:15:36] Speaker C: Yes, but do your trinket tip that you gave us. [00:15:40] Speaker A: But what if I want to hide in a bush first? [00:15:42] Speaker C: Well, then what should you not do then? [00:15:45] Speaker A: You definitely shouldn't auto attack from the goddamn bush. It reveals you, and more importantly, it reveals everyone else in the bush. Please, for the love of God, don't auto attack from the bush. Don't put Heimer turrets in the bush. Just. If you want to be auto attacking, stay the fuck out of the bush. What's wrong with you? [00:16:06] Speaker C: There are times to auto attack, but the enemy needs to already know you're in there. And giving the vision is not a detriment is the times when it's appropriate. [00:16:14] Speaker A: Or like the moment has arrived and it's time to charge in from the bush. [00:16:19] Speaker C: Yes. [00:16:19] Speaker A: You reveal yourself and you start auto attacking, and the fight breaks out. That's when it's okay to auto attack from the bush. [00:16:26] Speaker C: Unless you are Caitlyn. You should not be just farming from a bush. Caitlyn can get away with it. Cause she stacks headshot twice as fast. There's a justifiable reason. [00:16:35] Speaker A: Or if you're alone in the bush, then maybe. But if you've got someone like a syndra or a blitzcrank trying to fish for pics from the bush, stop fucking revealing them, you asshole. All right, now, moving on. [00:16:53] Speaker C: Yes. [00:16:56] Speaker A: All right. Our first question is from Gazelle. I thought he was on renduzzle. Sorry, bad joke. Hello, wards. Longtime listener, first time writer. I've been playing league since season three, but I still tend to struggle against stat stick champions. You've got a space there. Dyslexia, especially. Set and Mord. It feels like no matter what I do in the early game, every trade is a losing one. Any idea? Beating those brown and sticky bastard. [00:17:32] Speaker B: What's brown and sticky? A stick. I get it. Anyway, set. I don't know that much about beating. I know to be more yet to wait for him to use his e and then punish him while it's down. [00:17:49] Speaker C: Mord is heavily limited by cooldowns, especially early. Even his q is like 5 seconds. If you can dodge or bait out and sidestep his q and e, you will just win the trade. If you get hit by those, you will just lose the trade. [00:18:08] Speaker B: I know there is a trick to Mordekaiser specifically because once he gets three hits in, his passive starts going. [00:18:14] Speaker C: Yep. [00:18:15] Speaker B: And that's kind of like a timer because that passive hurts early levels. [00:18:21] Speaker C: It does damage. It gives him run speed, so it's harder to escape him. It's by the time he has it up, he wants to fight you. You don't want to fight anymore generally, right? [00:18:30] Speaker B: If you can, like if you could, if you're playing a champion that could one hit or two hit trade, that's even better. But it's basically when his, when his circle goes up, you should probably stop fighting him and try to get away. [00:18:42] Speaker C: Yep. So the other key here is save your escape tools until he's proc to passive and you can disengage with them. So like, if I'm playing Jax, for example, I'm going to go in with counter strike. I'm not going to leap strike on him. And then when I'm done trading, then I'm going to counter strike to my minions and jump away and disengage. [00:19:02] Speaker B: Yeah, like Jax has a really good trading pattern against Morde because of Mord doesn't get to proc his passive while Jax's counter strike is up. Basically. [00:19:09] Speaker C: Exactly. Other variables to consider is if you are a champion with a dashboard, if it is just a free Dash like Lucian or someone like that, dodge his shit. If it is a targeted dash, like for example, Jax or Yasuo kled would be another one. Dash through him when he queues. His Q will now miss. It has a windup. You have enough time to dash through him on most of those champions and he's fucked if his cue misses. Yeah, almost all of his damage, especially early when he doesn't have AP for his passive auto attack ratio, yet it denies him a proc towards getting his passive aura up. Just use your dash through him. If you're a champion who has that. [00:20:02] Speaker A: Assuming you're looking tall in. [00:20:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:04] Speaker A: Otherwise just dash out. [00:20:06] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Set. I mean, set is the quintessential bullshit stat check. I don't have an answer for you. I hate set so much. I hate how much stronger he got with the patch that we covered last week. [00:20:23] Speaker B: So the only thing about Sett that I'm aware of is that, like Mordekaiser, his abilities are on very long cooldowns. The w and the e are on very, very long cooldowns. The problem that, unlike Mordekaiser, set doesn't really start a fight with them. He'll start a fight with the e every so often. The face breaker, where he pulls. Pulls both sides to him. [00:20:42] Speaker C: Yep. [00:20:42] Speaker B: If you could dodge that, you have a pretty good chance. The issue is true damage. What's that? [00:20:49] Speaker A: Yeah, dodge the true damage. [00:20:52] Speaker B: This was set is that if you try to take a fight on him, he's like, okay, and then he. And then he pops you with the shield and the w. Face breaker or whatever it is. Hey, maker a maker, any face maker. [00:21:03] Speaker C: While you're stunned from face breaker. [00:21:05] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:07] Speaker C: Which is why he doesn't usually start fights with it. [00:21:09] Speaker B: Right? [00:21:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:12] Speaker B: And, like, when. When he haymakers you and gets the shield and will hit you for a bunch of true damage, you generally, like, move away or walk to the side, and most setts will use that as a chance to disengage. Like, they. They now have a bit of space where they can walk away. And that's why set's so annoying to fight, because he will then just disengage and get away because you can't kill him during the haymaker windup. Like, like, just. [00:21:36] Speaker C: And he has comical amounts of Regen, so he wants to just do that and then he'll heal back up from his regen. [00:21:42] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah. So, like, basically dealing with that is if you can manage to force him to not be able to cs under tower. If you can crash the wave into the tower during that, he backs off and waits for his cooldowns to come back up. That's the most you can do to him unless he, like, completely fucks up and you can kill him. But, like, killing set solo is like, he's pushed up way too far and is at half health. [00:22:08] Speaker C: It means he's made a mistake. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Yeah, usually, like, three. He's usually made, like, three mistakes if you can kill him. [00:22:15] Speaker A: My answer to both these champions is typically, I'm just gonna farm and eventually out gold you. I also tend to play ranged champions, even in top lane. So that also means that I am using their range advantage, especially if they miss their pulls. They can't touch me without burning a summoner spell, so I'm usually poking them down with my poke tools and my auto attacks and forcing them off the wave and getting more gold and just out pressuring. That way. In those matchups, you'll often see me freezing. I just freeze the wave against my tower and he never gets to touch it. [00:22:54] Speaker C: Yep. [00:23:00] Speaker A: That'S my advice anyway. Yeah, from like a kennen or a gnar up in top lane. [00:23:07] Speaker B: Just a fate. [00:23:09] Speaker A: Our next question is coming from Luna, and it looks like we've got a few. Hey, wards. Found your show about six months ago and figured it was finally time to submit a couple questions. Questions of my own. Well, thank you. We appreciate it. I've always been a fan of champs with strong split pushing potential. Yorick, Urgot, Sion, and Gwen primarily. Problem is I find myself overextending and or missing important team fights because I focus on split pushing side lanes too hard. How should I approach team fights with these kinds of champs? And how can I improve my macro with split in general? [00:23:49] Speaker B: Generally speaking, Yorick should not generally be team fighting. Yorick, team fighting. Something's wrong. Usually you should be trying to get towers. Whenever your team takes a bad four v five. [00:24:05] Speaker C: For the rest of them, it comes down to reading what your idiot teammates are going to do. Split pushing in solo queue really comes down to figuring out, okay, if I go split push, are they gonna go get caught? Or start a four v five, I need to be there to save the day. Or if I split push, are they going to sit under mid tier two and wait for waves and I'm gonna be the one overextended and I need to back off. Because those are the two things your teammates will do in solo queue. When you split push, they will either massively overextend and get caught or play way too safe and not allow you to create pressure. Cause you're the only pressure. [00:24:45] Speaker A: And like, so I play the split pushing midlingers a fair bit. And so I end up in similar situations where my team is probably going to be prone to taking bad fights where I'm not there. And the question becomes, is it better for me to be there and just bail them out or is it better to just keep pushing? And usually that ends up being keep pushing. And the other side of it is understanding what you're trying to accomplish with split pushing. Because it's not just golden towers. You're trying to apply pressure and force the enemy team to spend resources on stopping you. So you need to be split pushing when your team is capable of capitalizing on the enemy team going to deal with you. So you need to set up your ward so you have advance notice. You need to be pushing when your team is looking to get an objective. If the enemy team goes for an objective, they lose an inhibitor. If the enemy team comes to kill you, they lose the objective. And you just try to catch the enemy team in a catch 22 and use your team and their strange decision making. That probably makes no sense to you. As best you can. You have to read your team. You have to read the enemy team and decide what the best option is. [00:26:04] Speaker B: Yeah, a lot of split pushing is like being able to read a map. [00:26:07] Speaker A: Yep, yep. [00:26:08] Speaker C: There have been so many times where I'm like, if I split push, I can take two turrets and an inhibitor, but I'm gonna tp to the fight anyway because my team will throw a tantrum, even though the fight would have gone like two for two if I'm not there. And like, yeah, going two for two, or like, oh, I'm there. So it's a three for two. Not nearly as valuable to us as if I got all those turrets. [00:26:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it's what it was important to teleport for the mental until you get up to, until you get up to, like, platinum, diamond, emerald level. Most of the time, you have to change how you split push based on how your team approaches team fights. So what they should do is poke and take favorable fights when someone pulls off to go deal with you. But if you notice that they force the team fight anyway and will they get wiped because they're four v five, then you have to change your strategy and you have to start joining the fights in order for them to not just keep getting rolled over and over again. Because if you're split pushing and getting objective or tower or two off the map while your team is losing four members and then losing a tower, that, that's not a good trade because you've lost a tower, they've lost a tower, but you've also lost four members. So then you have to change how you play. But sometimes you get the team that actually knows what they're doing and can poke and they can actually take the four v five and win it. And it's like, oh, cool, I just get. I literally could just sit in the side lane for. And those are the good games to have a split pusher. [00:27:51] Speaker C: Those are why I'm playing so much Tristana right now. [00:27:54] Speaker B: Tristana's really good at it because she's good at team fighting and good at split pushing. [00:27:58] Speaker C: She's also just good right now. Like the ad carry atomization, she's one of the big winners of it. [00:28:06] Speaker A: Speaking of team fights, how can I avoid getting dragged into them. I often find in if the other team gets ahead, they will begin traveling around as a five man death squad and will easily pick off any cluster of three or less champs, no matter where we are on the map. What sort of strategy should I use to avoid getting mugged in our own jungle? I assume my problem is likely bad positioning. But what does good positioning look like in this situation? [00:28:34] Speaker B: If their five man death squad and it's actually working for them, if they are roaming around trying, just trying to pick up kills, then the thing that needs to happen is you don't give them kills. If they show up somewhere, you leave and go somewhere else. And for that, the best counter and way to take care of it is having good wards, good vision out. And the problem is that if they're five man deathballing like that, they usually have someone sweeping and taking care of any wards that are out there. So you need to have more than one person trying to ward, and then you need to make sure you don't get caught when they're warding. It's. It's a. It's a pain. So it's not like it's easy, but it is very much a don't be there, because if five people are down pushing one lane, they're splitting farm across five people. If you can not be there, and you'll get farm from two or three lanes, that's way better than they're getting. And you just have to kind of weather the storm and outscale until you can finally take fights. [00:29:39] Speaker C: This is also where the one three one split push shines. Because as long as your three doesn't get caught, the most the five man death squad is gonna get is a single person when you have two other lanes, creating pressure and creating getting farm. So it's like, congrats. It's like, congrats. You killed our fizz for the 10th time, but you lost, Baron. [00:30:00] Speaker B: Yep. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:04] Speaker C: I may not be speaking from experience, from a game I just played before the podcast. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Yeah, it sounded very hypothetical. [00:30:14] Speaker C: I had to lane against a fucking xinjiang as fizz. It was hell. We still won. [00:30:21] Speaker A: You were the fizz. [00:30:23] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. We still won. [00:30:24] Speaker A: Oh, no. [00:30:24] Speaker C: This was a game where I spent ten minutes using my ult to farm triple stacked waves. [00:30:30] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:30:31] Speaker B: Oof. [00:30:33] Speaker C: We won. [00:30:36] Speaker A: Yeah. I think that this question, to me really comes down to the macro and just being able to understand how to make. Because if they're five men deathballing, then they're giving up resources elsewhere. [00:30:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:51] Speaker A: Punish it. Capitalize they, they can't be everywhere at once. And if they are all together all the time, that's two thirds of the map they aren't on somewhere. So go use that part of the map. [00:31:06] Speaker B: The nightmare scenario is a five man death ball that is ahead and scaled such that like, there's a Senna and aurelion soul in that five man death ball. They've already scaled, they've already hit three to four items. They already have a bunch of stacks. All they need is to just take five anti fights. That's why they're doing it. And in that scenario, it's very hard to come back. [00:31:27] Speaker A: So don't like split pushing is one of the ways to do it. [00:31:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:33] Speaker A: Funnily enough, yeah. [00:31:34] Speaker B: Like if they are playing correctly and just pushing their lead and scaled abilities down, down mid lane, it's very difficult to win against that sort of thing. So, like, don't, don't think that it's like, I could do something here to fix this every time. At that point, when they are fed and scaled up and just five manning, which is what they should be doing, you have a very low chance of winning that game anyway. So do what you can to take stuff from other parts of the map and split push. But don't think that this is going to be, this is how you win here every time. It's not going to happen every time. [00:32:17] Speaker A: So there, I mean, you're in a losing position. Your percent chance of winning is already below 50% based on that. [00:32:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Conversely, if they're five mining death, mauling with things like Lucian or Draven and or Zed stuff that, yeah, it's really strong early. They've gotten a lead, they're snowballed, and you have the Senna and Aurelion soul. Now your job is to try and collect resources from as many places as possible without giving them more kills in order to outscale them. That's your win condition. It is not a lost cause at this point because this is your entire game plan. So recognize those two different states of operation and don't give up hope. Never give up. Never surrender. [00:33:05] Speaker A: Didn't you surrender anything last week? Our next question comes from Bach in the saddle. Love the name. Always here for the puns. Hey wards. Longtime listener, first time emailer. Seems to be a trend for tonight. I've been playing league off and on for the past couple of years, mostly for fun in norms or flex as a five stack with my friends. For most of that time, I haven't been playing League of Legends. I've been playing league of Jace. Mostly top and mid. I just love his kid. His kid, his kit, his playstyle. The way it feels. There's a way to play into almost any matchup. And how good his scaling feels going into the mid to late game. Recently, though, my friends and I have decided to do some role swaps. And I found myself playing. Playing ADC. I actually like playing the role in our comp. Since I like playing the squishy carry that everyone peels for. You get peel. [00:34:09] Speaker B: He's in a five man stack. [00:34:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't get peel for in five man stacks. They all dive in and I'm just like, hello, I'm here. Scary out here. But I'm having trouble finding a champ to play. Mostly because I like to play casters rather than marksman. I played both Hue, DC and Smulder on release. And quickly got m seven with both of them. But I found that Hue is a more situational pick that doesn't fit into a lot of comps. And Smulder feels terrible to play. Ever since the recent nerfs, I've been experimenting with a bunch of different ADC jinx, Ezreal, Ash, corki, Kog'maw, Varus, and. And twitch. Trying to find a champ that I like. But none of them seem to click for me because of my time with Jace. I like playing ability focused champs with flexibility, blind pickability, and scaling. I've been considering playing JCB Cary in the hopes that my mastery with the champ can mitigate the weaknesses in the roll. But I know there's a lot of reasons why it might not be a great choice. My questions are, who are some ADC's that might be fun to play, or play styles I might not have tried for ADC's I've experimented with. [00:35:27] Speaker B: My first thought was gonna be ezreal. But you said you've tried that Tristana's a pretty good pickup to try. [00:35:35] Speaker C: There is a glaring omission in this list of ADC's for I want to play a caster style ADC Miss fortune. [00:35:42] Speaker A: And loose. [00:35:43] Speaker C: Miss Fortune is the one I was thinking of. I don't know if Lucian feels the most jace. Yes. That's what I was gonna get to, is I don't. I don't know if Miss Fortune will appeal to the Jace player because she's very much a like, sit back and poke and wear down. And then aoe team fight type caster ad carry. Lucian is much more of a like, get up in your face but. Well, yes, I know that's how you play Jace, but someone who's been maining Jace for eleven years, probably, or however long it's been, probably is using both halves of his kit, using the hammer form. [00:36:21] Speaker A: True. [00:36:22] Speaker C: Lucian lacks the poke is my concern. Now. I am note true. The second part of this question indicates. I believe this came in before the item rework patch, which also reworked Corki. Oh, I think Corki is actually the one to try. [00:36:40] Speaker B: He said it. Said he tried Corki, but, like. [00:36:43] Speaker C: Which tells me it was probably the version of Corki with package. [00:36:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I would. [00:36:49] Speaker C: I would revisit Corki. [00:36:50] Speaker B: Try Corky again, just to make sure. Especially if you haven't played him since 1410, because he definitely changed a lot. He is a crit build now. Do not build ap items on him. [00:36:58] Speaker C: He has a crit build, but he has the same. Like, he has the same battle mage caster style that Jace has. What's your pick? [00:37:06] Speaker A: I have a pick. I don't know how you guys are gonna feel about it, but there is logic to it, I promise. [00:37:13] Speaker C: Okay. [00:37:15] Speaker A: What do you think of Draven here? [00:37:17] Speaker B: I consider Draven. And Draven has some of the same aggression that, like, a Jace melee form has, but he's lacking poke again, like Lucian. [00:37:28] Speaker A: I don't know, running up and autoing them when they go to last hit. A minion is a heavy pokemon spinning ass. [00:37:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:37:35] Speaker A: So, like, the pattern for both, I. [00:37:38] Speaker C: Think laning, they're very similar. [00:37:39] Speaker A: And advantage. Yeah, they feel very, very similar to me. And then in a team fight, you have to be far more active. But that's gonna be true of any ad carry. [00:37:47] Speaker B: The. The other thing about Draven is the catching the axes minigame, most. It. It's gonna. Okay, so give Draven a try. And it's basically. Did you enjoy catching the axes? Yes. Continue playing Draven if you didn't. Don't touch draven again. [00:38:01] Speaker C: Yep. [00:38:02] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty much. [00:38:03] Speaker B: That's. That's same. Like, I fucking. I hate it so much anyway. [00:38:11] Speaker A: I like catching axes. It makes my brain happy. It gives me the happy chemicals. [00:38:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Ashes. I'm surprised, like, so Ezra. The reason why Ezreal, like, Ezra and Tristana both fit. Fit the profile of Jace, where they kind of like to poke. Tristana's less good at it, but they both have the ability to just go. Just go ham and all in whenever they want to. And Tristana specifically, which is why I was like, give that a shot. Because Susanna can definitely wreck a team fight if she gets a. Gets a good one. So the misfortune works as well. The only thing Miss fortune lacks, Miss Fortune lacks the ability to just kind of go in. She doesn't. She does not wait into a fight. She's also lacking the ability to poke without a minion wave there, but otherwise, yeah, it's fine. So Miss Fortune and Tristana are the two ones I would suggest along with revisiting Corki, if you haven't done 14 hit already. [00:39:18] Speaker A: I agree with that. If I did end up playing JCD carry, what kinds of builds, playstyle and support pairings would you recommend, especially with the new item changes coming up in the next split? [00:39:29] Speaker B: I don't think Jay synergizes with crit, does he? None of his abilities scale off his criteria. [00:39:39] Speaker A: My honest recommendation is play him like you would mid lane and play it as a kill lane. Get your support on board. Like, you two are gonna kill the crap out of that ad carry and make it so that they don't get to play the game. [00:39:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I would. I would expect the build would be similar to like a lethality. Varys or something. [00:40:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I just build them the same way I would in mid lane. I'd play in the same way I would in mid lane. I'm looking to poke them down to half health and then all in at level two, level three, eclipse. [00:40:13] Speaker B: Yomu's. All that stuff. [00:40:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Collector if you want it. Hey, don't underestimate collector on him. It's fun. It's a lot of fun. [00:40:25] Speaker C: It's just expensive compared to the other lethality. [00:40:27] Speaker A: I know, I know. But it's fun. I like it. Yeah. Play style again. Poke them down all in. Make sure you've got a support on board. Who's ready to do that like a. Leona is probably who I would want to be paired up with. [00:40:49] Speaker B: Blitz Frank sounds amazing with this, honestly. [00:40:52] Speaker A: Oh, true, true. [00:40:53] Speaker B: You pull them to, you knock them up and then you can knock them back with Jason's bailiff. Sounds good. [00:40:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Thresh, I think I feel like Senna would actually be decent just so that you guys have longer ranged presence in the lane. [00:41:13] Speaker B: That sounds annoying as fuck to deal with. Pike is good. [00:41:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And then if she ever throws out like a w and hits somebody, the guaranteed empowered shock blast into the grand slam. [00:41:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:41:28] Speaker A: That sounds miserable to deal with. [00:41:31] Speaker B: And then you have the healing from Senna's q to help you whenever you have to go. Melee form in the minions, which shouldn't be often. [00:41:37] Speaker A: No. [00:41:38] Speaker B: Yeah, it could work. [00:41:40] Speaker A: His biggest weakness in bot lane is scaling and range. He just doesn't have the biggest attack range compared to other ad carries. In his ranged form. In his melee form, that's a different story. He's got the range of a melee minion. So, yeah, it's basically just trying to find ways to mitigate that. So look at the other ad carries who have that same weakness, like Samira or Nyla. What do they do? They jump on you and they kill you as soon as they possibly can. So those would be kind of what I'm comparing him to. Anything else to add? [00:42:28] Speaker C: Let's go to the next one. [00:42:30] Speaker A: All right. Key Sierra writes in hi wards. As any band kid knows, different instruments have different stereotypical personalities associated with the people who play them. Bassoonists are eccentric nerds. Tuba players enjoy comic books and scatological humor. Drummers are promiscuous. Flutists are neurotic. Hey, I feel called out. What are some stereotypes that you associate with people who main particular roles and or champions in league? Thanks again for making a podcast that feels like home. Go ahead. [00:43:13] Speaker C: All right, I think we should talk about this both in terms of roles like mid bot, et cetera, and also class archetypes like Assassin or Enchanter, as well as any like, as well as specific champions. Yes. [00:43:27] Speaker A: Stand out championships. [00:43:28] Speaker C: So I'm gonna start with ADC's have main character syndrome. [00:43:33] Speaker A: So do mid laners less. [00:43:35] Speaker B: No, no, no. So here's the problem. Mid laners have main character syndrome. Ad carries also have main character syndrome, except they're actually the main character. [00:43:44] Speaker A: They're also anime protagonist syndrome. They are ready to sacrifice everyone else for their gain. [00:43:53] Speaker C: Does that anime protagonist, if you're wrong. [00:43:55] Speaker A: Would you not let your entire team fair? [00:43:59] Speaker C: No, what I mean by that is ad carries tend to believe that if they are not personally ahead, the game is over. Four foot 15. Yep, sometimes that is actually the case. But more often than not, there are avenues to win the game that don't involve the ADC personally being ahead, especially when they're not playing hyper carry. Like, yeah, you're not gonna win the game through an ash being ahead the way that you would off a draven being ahead, or a jinx having an early lead. [00:44:35] Speaker B: So as a jungler, I see that less from ad carries in the last six months. It happened before. True, but a lot of ad carries now. When they're behind, they're like, eh, it's fine because ad carry doesn't matter. This is before. [00:44:48] Speaker C: It's not been. My experience it's. [00:44:54] Speaker B: But, like, 80% of the time when they're behind, they're like, eh, it's whatever. Because they realize that ad carry doesn't. Didn't fucking matter. [00:45:02] Speaker A: Um, Jax likes to make the joke that I'm a mid laner with the mentality of a support. Why don't you tell us about that? [00:45:09] Speaker C: Do I make that joke? What? [00:45:11] Speaker A: You have made it several times on stream. [00:45:14] Speaker C: No idea what you're talking about. [00:45:16] Speaker A: You also talked about it in the car. [00:45:21] Speaker C: I genuinely have no memory of this Gandalf. [00:45:25] Speaker B: Mean, I'm old. [00:45:27] Speaker C: Give me a break. [00:45:29] Speaker B: Support is like, I am giving you a break. [00:45:32] Speaker A: That's why I'm hosting tonight. [00:45:33] Speaker B: Support is like team mom, isn't it? [00:45:36] Speaker A: Yeah, a little bit. [00:45:37] Speaker B: Sorry. The enchanter, specifically. Um. [00:45:42] Speaker A: Are you kidding me? [00:45:43] Speaker B: If you talk about, like, blitzcranker nautilus. [00:45:45] Speaker A: If I'm playing Alistair, I'm sitting there like, get the fuck off my child. [00:45:50] Speaker C: No. Support in general is team mom. [00:45:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:53] Speaker C: Unless you're playing pike. Fuck pike. [00:45:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like, Pike. Pike and Blitzcrank are less so. [00:46:01] Speaker C: Dude, the number of times I've seen a blitzcrank fuck their team by just hooking. Let me hook the Zed on top of my ad carry. [00:46:12] Speaker B: Well, I mean, yeah, look, it's only bad when they hook the Alistair, all right? Like, that's really bad. [00:46:20] Speaker A: Cannon. [00:46:24] Speaker B: Hook the cannon. That's not Vladimir. [00:46:29] Speaker A: All right, Rel. [00:46:31] Speaker C: So I have a. I have a champion archetype. One. Assassins are antsy. If they don't have a kill fairly quickly, they are more likely to make mistakes because assassin players believe that kills are the only way to win the game and will overextend trying to get kills because they think that's how they will win. [00:46:53] Speaker B: Draven players are the same way. [00:46:55] Speaker C: Yes. The number of times I have seen a draven who is up 50 cs and three plates, like, massively ahead, but hasn't personally gotten a kill. So he hasn't cashed in yet. He dies and immediately spams ff and decides the game is over. It's like, yes, you lost your massive cash in. You also are massively ahead. What the fuck is your problem? [00:47:16] Speaker A: Calm the fuck down. Build a collector and move on with your right. [00:47:22] Speaker C: That one in particular is my pet peeve of Draven's. [00:47:26] Speaker A: It's been bad enough that you've banned Draven so that you don't end up with him on your team. [00:47:31] Speaker C: Yeah, it has happened. Although my band today was a collie because holy shit. She's in every fucking game. I don't know why today that's been the case, but I fixed it. [00:47:46] Speaker B: Riven. [00:47:46] Speaker C: That's kind of where my assassin thought came from. [00:47:50] Speaker B: Riven and Yasuo players are very similar because they are both the same. [00:47:56] Speaker C: Was kind of always go in. [00:47:58] Speaker B: Always, always forward. [00:47:59] Speaker A: Irelia and Yana, we can throw in there, too. [00:48:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:04] Speaker B: Yep. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Tanks. Just in general. Tanks are like, I'm just okay with getting beaten up as long as my team does. Okay. [00:48:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:16] Speaker A: You can just kind of tell, like, this is the kid that got shoved in the locker but was allowed to play as long as he took the crappiest role in any game. Like, yes, you can play Mario Kart double dash with me, but you have to sit on the back of my cart and hand me items instead of actually playing the game. Any other archetypes or anything? Oh, Yuumi. Players are either e girls or high as all hell or both. [00:48:54] Speaker C: Yeah, there's several champions where the people playing them are probably stoned out of their mind. [00:49:02] Speaker A: Do I bring that for Lux? [00:49:04] Speaker C: No, I would not put Lux as one of those. [00:49:10] Speaker A: I feel like I make that archetype. [00:49:13] Speaker C: No, I would say, like, yumi is one of them. I would say Warwick is another one because Teemo Timo, I think, is more of a meme. Warwick would be. Except the reason I say Warwick is that the. The stoners are like, man, I'm so high, I'm just gonna play an easy jungler. And then they play Warwick, and they're fucking useless because they're not doing anything. Because he is the epitome of easy jungler. [00:49:41] Speaker A: I put nunu in that camp because they get to roll. [00:49:44] Speaker C: No, the nunu players are the fortnite kids. [00:49:48] Speaker A: Oh, true. [00:49:49] Speaker B: Yeah. New, new players are like. [00:49:51] Speaker C: They're just there to be annoying. [00:49:53] Speaker B: Look, new new players, if they're. If they're doing some kind of illicit substance, it's gonna be hopping them up on something. It's like it's. They're on meth or something. Yeah, because they're like muscake every time. [00:50:06] Speaker C: Not just musk gank, but, like, my job as a nunu is to throw snowballs at people and old people. Not to kill them, not to pop summoners, but to make them upset. That's why they take phase rush, and they just are annoying. And they build all the movement speed items. [00:50:28] Speaker A: Oh, okay. I've got another archetype for you. The people who insist on breaking the meta, whether their shit follows any logic, whether going standard would be beneficial in this game or not, anything like that. [00:50:45] Speaker C: I feel called out. [00:50:49] Speaker B: Why? [00:50:54] Speaker C: My most played so far this season, and it is not close, is Tristana middle. [00:50:59] Speaker A: That's not breaking the meta. That is part of the meta. You're fine. I'm talking about APMF top. [00:51:11] Speaker C: That's not breaking the meta, that's trolling. [00:51:15] Speaker A: I was trying to be kinder, but they believe it's the next meta thing. They're cooking something. It might be meth. [00:51:25] Speaker C: It's probably method. [00:51:26] Speaker A: It's probably met, but, yeah. Like, tell me about those players. [00:51:31] Speaker B: Oh, man. They just won't listen and, like, at all. [00:51:38] Speaker C: No, dude, I had an Akali. I'm remembering this now. The fucking trauma. This is why I started banning Akali. She rushed sundered sky and then just kept turret diving people. And then blamed our jungler for it as sundered sky lich bay nakali. [00:51:59] Speaker A: Yep. [00:52:00] Speaker B: Which, by the way, everybody blames the jungler. Everybody. Yeah, but she fucked up our one v one. Blame the jungler. [00:52:08] Speaker C: No, she would turret dive someone alone. No one else is on that quadrant of the map. And then she'd spam ping the jungler and be like, GG jungle gap. It's like, I can't tell if this person is just genuinely that dumb or if they're doing a bit at this point. [00:52:26] Speaker A: Okay, well, let's talk about the junglers being blamed. I think I can think of a few different archetypes of junglers, or, like, dedicated people who play. [00:52:35] Speaker B: Look, there's the type of jungler who does. Who does just ignore the map and just says, fuck it, I'm power farming, so I can kill everybody. This is called the master Yi player. [00:52:42] Speaker C: Yep. [00:52:43] Speaker A: I was thinking Karthus. [00:52:44] Speaker C: Karthus is the same thing. Yes. [00:52:48] Speaker A: I was going to go with the type of jungler that I end up being, which is, I like putting out fires and solving everybody else's problems for them. This is the tech support jungler. [00:53:02] Speaker C: They're probably playing Ivern. [00:53:05] Speaker B: It's a can. [00:53:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So at work, I had a situation where everyone was panicking, Defcon five, whatever. And I show up and I'm like, what's wrong? Well, all the machines are down. I'm like, have you turned them on? And they turned on the monitors. They're like, see? No signal. [00:53:27] Speaker C: God. [00:53:27] Speaker A: Did any of you try to turn on the computers after the power went out? [00:53:31] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:53:34] Speaker A: None of them had tried. They had been turning the monitors off and on. They had been. They had been on the phone with tech support. For an hour. [00:53:44] Speaker C: Okay. Shame on those tech support agents for not figuring out that that was the problem, Pepcack. [00:53:50] Speaker A: I know. So that's the type of juggler that I am. [00:53:58] Speaker B: Peb. Pepcac. P e b k a c. Problem exists between keyboard and chair. [00:54:04] Speaker C: Yep. [00:54:08] Speaker A: I feel like the next one is just the hands. God. The guy who comes in and doesn't have any macro, doesn't have any understanding of the game, but is just so good at hands checking other people that the guy just climbs. [00:54:24] Speaker B: Hate those people. [00:54:25] Speaker A: This person almost always ends up in the jungle because they can't farm for shit. So they have to farm. [00:54:33] Speaker B: They farm. [00:54:33] Speaker A: Champions can't get champions and jungle monsters because that way they can't miss a last hit. And then I think there's one more jungler archetype I can think of, which is like, the hyper cerebral player who sees the game as, like, a chess match. [00:54:51] Speaker B: That's the common jungle archetype. [00:54:52] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that. That's the one that every jungler wants to think they are. How common they actually are is fewer and far between. [00:55:01] Speaker B: Not every jungler. Anyone who's playing Rengar or Khazix doesn't. Doesn't think that way. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:55:11] Speaker B: Sejuani players. [00:55:12] Speaker A: Like the farm alarm Rek'sai. [00:55:14] Speaker B: Sejuani players. [00:55:16] Speaker A: Yes. [00:55:16] Speaker B: Watch those. Those people are. Those people are smart. [00:55:23] Speaker A: Shall we get one more in? [00:55:25] Speaker C: Let's do it. [00:55:25] Speaker A: You guys had more archetypes to drop. Let's do one more from Robagon. Hey, wards. I have newly become a father to a healthy baby boy. [00:55:36] Speaker B: Congrats. [00:55:37] Speaker C: Congrats. [00:55:39] Speaker A: I hope you named him after League of Legends champ. [00:55:41] Speaker C: God, I hope you didn't. [00:55:46] Speaker A: Why not? [00:55:48] Speaker C: There are a handful of cute little melio. [00:55:50] Speaker A: Could be cute. [00:55:51] Speaker C: There are a handful of League of legends names that are acceptable, real life names. Meleo is one of them. That I think would be fine. [00:55:59] Speaker B: Ezreal's also fine. [00:56:03] Speaker A: I think that's fine. [00:56:04] Speaker C: I would say that one's pushing it. [00:56:05] Speaker B: I don't know what your problem is. Sarah is a perfectly fine name. [00:56:12] Speaker A: Yes, I love it. Best thing ever. But I have also played league almost daily since 2013. It has been my go to after work, my space to blow off steam, and a days worth of stress. After our little minion had spawned, I sold my PC and told myself to get it together and only focus on two work and the baby. But goddamn, I miss league so much. I listened to all the podcasts, watch all of Lec and MSI, just to have something. What should I do, guys? [00:56:48] Speaker B: I mean, listen to more podcasts, write in questions to the four words podcast. [00:56:57] Speaker A: Here's my issue with that is like, you're focusing on two things. League, to me, doesn't sound like it was like a chore on your list of things to do. And I'm sorry for discovering describing your baby as a chore, but like, this is a thing you have to do. These are things that you have to do and that will give you stress and steam to blow off. And you have discarded your outlet for that from your life. That seems like a recipe for a psychological breakdown. [00:57:27] Speaker C: All right, hear me out. It's hard for a new parent to play a game like league that requires a commitment of 30 to 45 minutes uninterrupted. I get that. And you sold your PC, so you can't play league anymore anyway. If you're into teamfight tactics, I know it exists on mobile. [00:57:48] Speaker B: Yes, it does. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:49] Speaker C: So that would be a way to get the Runeterra fix. But what I'd actually recommend, buy yourself a Nintendo Switch. You can put the switch to sleep literally at a moment's notice in any game. So you can just drop what you're doing anytime and go tend to your kid. [00:58:07] Speaker B: Yep. [00:58:08] Speaker C: There are so many good indie games on the Nintendo Switch. Like Metroidvanias, there's like a dozen excellent ones. You like roguelikes, there's like a dozen excellent ones of various genres of roguelikes. You like rpg's, there's a gazillion of them. You like platformers? There's a gazillion of them. There are so many games you can play on Switch. That would be my recommendation. Just because I think the Switch is the perfect. Like, I have a kid, I do not have free time, but I want to get my gaming in console. [00:58:42] Speaker B: So, alright. As the person here that actually has kids and has gone through this, this is something you have to solve. [00:58:55] Speaker A: A child. [00:58:56] Speaker B: What was that? [00:58:57] Speaker A: I raised one from. I raised my sister from newborn. Effectively. Yeah, fair. I was helping out in that stage and I was basically single parenting her from four years onward. [00:59:12] Speaker B: Taking care of. So what you're asking for is actually more in the realm of relationship advice, I would say, actually, because a lot of this, a lot of taking care of a child is you have to work with your partner. And for me, what worked was laying down some, like what is and is not appropriate to be doing. Like at various times. And as Jack said, any. If you're going to be gaming, you want to be doing games that could be paused at a moment's note. Notice, Sieve, the Civ series is great for this because it's literally just. You just walk away from it. It's always paused Pokemon, too. [00:59:57] Speaker C: The challenge there is going to be playing Civ on a PC that he doesn't have anymore, right? [01:00:01] Speaker B: Yeah, it's on Switch. It is on Switch. There's a Switch version. So it's the selling the computer bit is what makes me hesitate to suggest gaming. One thing you could do that's super great is reading books or reading. Reading books, even on, like, audiobooks, also works just fine if you want to do that. And bonus, it tends to put most kids, most newborns to sleep. And selling the PC to get out of gaming entirely is drastic. Not. Not what I say. I wouldn't say drastic, but it is a line that you can't really uncross. So I'm hesitant to suggest gaming at all unless you talk with your partner about it and figure out what's going on with that. [01:00:59] Speaker A: I just say some kind of outlet, some. [01:01:02] Speaker B: Jack's mentioned team fight tactics, Legends. The Legends of Runeterra card game from League has a single player mode that you can play, and that one allows you to pause at a moment's notice as well. But that's what I can think of for gaming. But ultimately, what it comes down to is you need to talk to your partner and be together with on whatever you're going to be doing. Which is why I said this is more in the relationship advice column. [01:01:26] Speaker C: And since we're talking about relationship advice anyway, guys, that doesn't just apply. When you have a kid, you should be talking to your partner and coordinating and making sure that both of you are able to do what you want, regardless of whether there's a kid involved. [01:01:38] Speaker A: Or not, and making sure your needs are met. This is fundamentally a need for being able to deal with stress. Yeah, this isn't just like, oh, I have a hobby, and I'm gonna ignore my child to go play league. No, this is, hey, I need decompression time. And this is how I did it. I don't have that now. Like many of my friends, past partners, current partners, all know, hey, when I get home from work, I just need like an hour when I stream, I just need like an hour where I just sit in silence. Don't talk to me. Don't. Don't interact with me. Just leave me be. Yeah, leave me alone. Top lane. Like a lucian top. [01:02:32] Speaker C: There you go. [01:02:33] Speaker B: Try and figure out how to work Senna into that somewhere. But, yeah. [01:02:37] Speaker A: I tried that's why I paused. I could see you cooking something, like. [01:02:41] Speaker B: It'S like it's not quite there, kid. Can't get it. [01:02:45] Speaker A: Needed rapid fire cannons to get it. [01:02:49] Speaker B: Yep. [01:02:51] Speaker A: That is going to be it for us, though. Anything else to add before we say goodbye? [01:02:58] Speaker C: No. Let's. Let's do our outro. I think we're gonna run free shooters this week. [01:03:04] Speaker B: We did it last. We did free shooters last week. [01:03:06] Speaker C: Yeah, but he's not here. [01:03:08] Speaker B: Oh, fair. All right, remember, wish him happy birthday. [01:03:14] Speaker A: This has been slushy and the Forwards podcast. We will see you guys next week for another patch episode. Bye bye. [01:03:21] Speaker B: Bye bye. Thanks for listening to the four wards podcast. If you have ideas for what you would want to see from our Patreon or questions you want answered on the show, contact us at [email protected].